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Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav Nadirun_Mubin » lör jan 29, 2011 1:45

4:48
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

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Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav b » lör jan 29, 2011 12:12

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Ayan handlar om bokens folk - de kristna och (speciellt i det här fallet) judarna.
Nedan ur översättningen at Tafsir al-Jalalayn på altafsir.org:

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Aya 46 http://altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo ... nguageId=2
Some, group, from among the Jews distort, alter, the words, that God revealed in the Torah pertaining to the descriptions of Muhammad (s), from their contexts, those [contexts] in which they were placed, and they say, to the Prophet (s), when he commands them something, ‘We have heard, your words, and we disobey, your command; and hear as one who does not hear’ (wa’sma‘ ghayr musma‘in is a circumstantial qualifier, functioning as an invocation, in other words, ‘And may you not hear!’) and, they say to him, ‘Mind us’ (rā‘inā), [a term] with which it had been forbidden to address him, being a curse word in their language; twisting, distorting, with their tongues and slandering, defaming, religion, Islam. If they had said, ‘We have heard and obey’, instead of ‘And we disobey’, and, only, ‘Hear’, and ‘Consider us,’ (unzur ilaynā) instead of rā‘inā, it would have been better for them, than what they said, and more upright, more just than that, but God has cursed them, removing them from His mercy, for their unbelief, so they believe not except a few, among them, such as ‘Abd Allāh b. Salām and his companions.


Aya 47 http://altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo ... nguageId=2
O you who have been given the Scripture, believe in what We have revealed, of the Qur’ān, confirming what is with you, of the Torah, before We obliterate faces, erasing the eyes, noses and eyebrows in them, and turn them inside out, and make them like the napes of the neck, a flat plate, or curse them, by transforming them into apes, as We cursed, [as] We transformed, those of the Sabbath, among them, and God’s command, His decree, is done: after this was revealed, ‘Abd Allāh b. Salām converted to Islam, and so it was said that this had been a conditional threat of punishment, so that when some of them converted to Islam, it [the threat] was lifted. It is also said that obliteration and transformation will take place before the rising of the Hour.


Aya 48 http://altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo ... nguageId=2
God forgives not that anything should be associated with Him. But He forgives other than, save, that, of sins, to whomever He wills, forgiveness for, by admitting him into Paradise without punishment. And whomever He wills of the believers He punishes for their sins, and then admits them into Paradise. Whoever associates anything with God, then he has indeed invented a tremendous, a great, sin.


Aya 49 http://altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo ... nguageId=2
Have you not seen those who praise themselves for purity? namely, the Jews, when they say, ‘We are God’s children and His beloved’, in other words, it is not a matter of their purifying themselves. Nay, God purifies whom He will, through faith, and they shall not be wronged, they shall not be diminished of their deeds, a single date-thread, as much as the peel on a date-stone.


Aya 50 http://altafsir.org/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo ... nguageId=2
Consider, in amazement, how they invent falsehood against God, in that way, and that suffices for a clear, an evident, sin.

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Blev medlem: tis dec 14, 2010 9:48

Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav adko » lör jan 29, 2011 14:32


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Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav b » lör jan 29, 2011 15:14

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Du har rätt Sidi adno - det var nog bara en olycklig formulering.

Jag tror brodern menade att "Allah förlåter allt om Han vill - men Han har sagt att han inte förlårer shirk".

Om man ändrar rubriken på tråden till "Allah förlåter allt om Han vill, utom shirk" så återspeglar det ayan bättre insha Allah.

Nadirun_Mubin

Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav Nadirun_Mubin » lör jan 29, 2011 23:48

4:48
Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him, but He forgives what is less than that for whom He wills. And he who associates others with Allah has certainly fabricated a tremendous sin.

Han kan förlåta det för vem han vill som ayan säger. Och nej denna aya gäller även oss, det gäller varje människa.

Allah har en rättighet på oss och om vi uppfyller den får vi en rättighet av honom och hans rättighet är att vi endast dyrkar honom och om vi gör det så gör han elden haram för oss.

Denna aya är klar, låter mer som du vill tvista adko, inte bra. Ayan talar för sig själv.

Nadirun_Mubin

Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav Nadirun_Mubin » lör jan 29, 2011 23:54

adko kan du läsa?
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ لاَ يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ
Det står han inte förlåter shirk!!
Allah säger : Verily Allah does not forgive association with Him

Men visst man kan göra tauba från det medans man lever, men inte om man skulle dö på shirk.





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Och som syster khala la fram även att en del muslimer kommer att vara i gehennam en tid för att renas.

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Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav b » sön jan 30, 2011 0:17

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Broder, jag tror inte du förstod vad Sidi "adko" reagerade mot.

Det var ordet "Allah *kan* förlåta altt utom shirk" - det låter som om Han inte *kunde* förlåta shirk. Men Allah *kan* förlåta precis vad Han vill, inklusive shirk, och Han *kan* bestraffa vad Han vill inklusive goda handingar. Det är Han som bestämmer, och Han är fri och han makt att göra vad Han vill.

Men Han har lovat att belöna goda gärningar (om de är perfekt utförda), och han har sagt att Han inte kommer att förlåta shirk. Det är ett löfte han ålagt sig Själv - inte något som begränsar vad Han *kan* -

Antar att alla är överens om den saken.

Nadirun_Mubin

Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav Nadirun_Mubin » sön jan 30, 2011 0:41


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Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav b » sön jan 30, 2011 0:48

Broder - varför försöker du ändra Allah's ord?
Han sade "Indeed, Allah does not forgive association with Him"
Han sade inte *aldrig* och Han sade inte att Han inte *kan* förlåta.

Varför håller du dig inte bara till det som Allah har sagt?

Nadirun_Mubin

Re: Allah kan förlåta allt förutom shirk

Inläggav Nadirun_Mubin » sön jan 30, 2011 0:59

Syster gehennam är evigt för vissa och temporärt för andra.
Det som är evigt är för dem som förnekade Allah.
Wa lilladhena kafaro bi rabbihim a3dabu gehennama wa bi sel-maser

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